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ebaY is STILL disrespecting Christians


Group wants eBay to enforce ban that would prohibit sale of relics


By Mark Pattison
Posted: 11/10/2006

WASHINGTON (CNS) -- A California group is advocating a boycott of eBay unless the online auction house enforces its own rules against selling body parts to prohibit the sale of saints' relics.

"They've had opportunities to stop the sales, and they don't even enforce their own regulations," said Tom Serafin, founder and president of the International Crusade for Holy Relics.

According to Serafin, even a "cursory search" of the popular site will turn up dozens of relics "often purporting to be the bones of saints" for sale.

Catherine England, an eBay spokeswoman, told the Florida Catholic, newspaper for six Florida dioceses, Nov. 6 that the auction site is aware of the organized boycott and that officials from eBay have had conversations with representatives from the International Crusade for Holy Relics in the past, but not recently and so were surprised at the boycott call.

England said eBay does enforce its policies against selling certain human body parts such as bones and organs, but that other items that are legal to buy and sell in the United States are allowed to be sold on the site.

Serafin said he had tried over the years to convince eBay through its former general counsel and customer service representatives that relic auctions should be taken down from the auctioneer's pages but to no avail.

"In the beginning, I thought it would be easy" to get such auctions stopped, he told CNS in a Nov. 2 telephone interview from Anaheim, Calif. "When (online book and merchandise retailer) Amazon.com did it, we contacted Amazon and they didn't do it anymore. How they did it, I don't know."

Serafin said he had a team of as many as six people search eBay's pages for evidence of relic auctions and alert the company. "We send it in. Hours later they send a response: 'We'll look into it,'" he told CNS.

Even if eBay were to stop an auction, he added, "the sellers are savvy. They say 'Visit my store,' or 'Here's my e-mail address,'" giving buyers a way to contact them directly.

He said, "I'd be happy to participate in a review that would qualify whether a relic could be posted. But in proportion to the number of things sold daily, I don't know if it would even be worthwhile." EBay says it sells millions of items each day around the world.

According to Serafin, relics are offered "every day, 24 hours a day." His group is no longer pursuing the halt of individual sales: "Right now we've stopped trying to do it. You throw your hands up in the air and say, 'My God, it's so big.'"

Some items connected to saints that are listed on eBay are contained in reliquaries. Serafin said if reliquaries are offered for sale, eBay should require them to be empty.

Serafin said his group also contacted prospective sellers, with reactions ranging from "Oh, I didn't know" to "You don't run my life" and "I'm not bound by canon law."

Some relics are fraudulent -- Serafin said he once saw an offer that included "a feather from the Holy Spirit" -- but for verifiable relics there are "people who rescue them and bring them back to the church."

How the relics got into the hands of private dealers is uncertain. "If I were the pastor of a church and had 150 relics stolen, I wouldn't mention it out of shame," Serafin said. "However they get 'em is not my problem. What I'm saying is don't give them a marketplace."

On eBay's own site, it says: "Humans, the human body or any human body parts are not permitted on eBay. Items that contain human hair -- such as lockets -- as well as skulls and skeletons that are used for medical purposes may be listed on eBay. EBay does not permit the sale of Native American skulls, bones or other Native American grave-related items, as the sale of such items may violate federal law. Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including: listing cancellation; limits on account privileges; account suspension; forfeit of eBay fees on canceled listings; (and) loss of 'PowerSeller' status."

England told the Florida Catholic, "For the most part, first-class relics would not be permitted" on the site and said eBay has a process in which users are encouraged to report violations of the rules.

First-class relics come from the body of a person declared blessed or a saint. Second-class relics are articles used by a beatified or canonized person, and third-class relics are items touched by first-class relics.

"There is a link to report this on every item. We do have a team dedicated to trust and safety of the items in our marketplace," she said, but she added that on average at any given moment there are 105 million items for sale on eBay, with 6 million new items posted daily.

England said eBay makes an exception to its prohibition against body parts for human hair. Although she said she was not aware of all the reasons for it, she said it might be because sometimes personal lockets include locks of hair.

The Web auctioneer bans other items on its site, Serafin said, including drug paraphernalia, child pornography and automatic weapons.

"There must be a way to stop it (relic auction) before it gets there" on the site, he said. "That man in Podunk, Pa., would not have a worldwide trading platform if it were not for eBay."

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Contributing to this story was Christopher Gunty in Orlando, Fla.


Now if this were any other group, I betcha the offending items would have been banned post-haste.

As we all know, PayPal is the payment method over at the church of satan website, so no one really expects any change, just more weasel words.

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Dude, this obsession of yours with all things PayPal is out of hand. You really need to get a life.

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For it is written. PayPal is good. LOL


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boredposter wrote:

Dude, this obsession of yours with all things PayPal is out of hand. You really need to get a life.

Thank you for taking time out of your busy Saturday evening to alert me of your assumption. Just curious... Where does that leave you?...


Perhaps this bored person is right.

Perhaps I've been wrong to blindly follow the traditions and superstitions of past PayPal victims. Maybe we antis should test our assumptions analytically, through experimentation, documentation, and scientific method.

Perhaps this scientific method could even be extended into other areas of consumer awareness. Perhaps we could even model our efforts by the likes applied to natural sciences, physics, medicine, art, architecture, and least not, VLSI technology...

Why...perhaps I could lead the way to a shining, golden new age!

An age of rebirth...

A Renissance of consumerism!

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Naaaaah.




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boredposter wrote:

Dude, this obsession of yours with all things PayPal is out of hand. You really need to get a life.


BLASPHEMER!!!

Anonymous has a very productive life.

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BLASPHEMER!!!

Anonymous has a very productive life.




Well obviously he is productive.  But at what? He posts here so often he couldn't possibly have time for anything else other than sleeping, eating, and pooping. Just look at the main page on this board. Thirty nine threads all stated by the same guy. And answered only by his google-eyed wannbe paramour.


The two should just get a room somewhere and get it over with.



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You should get a room Bored, so your mom can have her basement back.  




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boredposter wrote:

Well obviously he is productive.; But at what?


Warning of the perils of PayPal and eBay, that's what he's productive at. I'm sure it not his choice to search the internet for stories of PayPal being used by the church of Satan, or his other 'breaking' news posts. He's compelled to these things while others fritter away their lives.

Alas, I'm off to fritter now...

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Hey real boring person, is sleazebay EVER going to fix that cross scripting exploit?

When will sleazebay EVER get rid of the easily remedied problem of clickable links and HTML emails, (you know, the ones that the scammers exploit, the ones that make ebayers and paypal users the BIGGEST TARGETS on the internet?)

Where is sleazebay/painpal's regard for it's customers/users safety?

What does sleazebay do with all the monies they wrongfully acquire as a result of scam listings which they are full aware of?

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Tech: Selling holy relics on eBay


Yet another article showcasing sleazebays utter lack of respect for the christians, as well as all the same misplaced priorities, and of course, doublespeak.

Where is ebay's level playing field? Had this been a rock band, or maybe a museum, or any other sort of organization I can recall, was able to get ebay to pull offensive listings.

Also, note the blurb about the Nazi stamps...
Hey really boring person, what can you tell us about those?



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anonymous wrote:

Hey real boring person, is sleazebay EVER going to fix that cross scripting exploit?

When will sleazebay EVER get rid of the easily remedied problem of clickable links and HTML emails, (you know, the ones that the scammers exploit, the ones that make ebayers and paypal users the BIGGEST TARGETS on the internet?)

Where is sleazebay/painpal's regard for it's customers/users safety?

What does sleazebay do with all the monies they wrongfully acquire as a result of scam listings which they are full aware of?


Care to voice your opinion on these and other issues, really bored person?

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Care to voice your opinion on these and other issues, really bored person?


I don't think you want to hear what I've got to say.

I'm from the old school. If I find a company unsatisfactory I don't do business with them. That's a pretty simple policy and most people employ that strategy, most companies listen to that strategy. The internet provides many many places to shop, so I've no problem finding a replacement if a company doesn't meet my standards.

You seem to employ another method that I find both a mystery and entertaining. You seem to treat the problem as some moral crusade that requires you to make countless posts about a company's evil practices trying to make others share your outrage. Look around, it isn't working. You have a small cult following that live in denial together and give one another enough nurturing to continue this silly excercise in futility. This is your lot in life and I don't think you can do anything about it. I alternate between sympathy for you and ridicule for you. Today it's sympathy.

Nothing you or your cult can call me, or say about me has any effect that is being sought. My wife doesn't hear it, my child doesn't hear it, my neighbors don't hear it. Your tiny cult gets to nod in agreement and it must be enough for you because it's all you'll get. Myself, I'm amused by it and that's probably not the effect you were looking for.

Like I said, I don't think you want to hear what I've got to say.

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You seem to treat the problem as some moral crusade that requires you to make countless posts about a company's evil practices trying to make others share your outrage. Look around, it isn't working. You have a small cult following that live in denial together and give one another enough nurturing to continue this silly excercise in futility. This is your lot in life and I don't think you can do anything about it. I alternate between sympathy for you and ridicule for you. Today it's sympathy.




Boy did you hit the nail on the head.



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Old school, or just a plain old, worthless, shameful bag of puke and atrophy who could not run a quarter mile to save your waste of skin?

I suppose all the reporters who actually publish all the stories I post here are cult members also?

Better look again, who are the real cultists?

How about the ever increasing number of inactive users? Are they all in some anti ebay cult, or do they just know a shyster outfit when they see one?



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Old school, or just a plain old, worthless, shameful bag of puke and atrophy who could not run a quarter mile to save your waste of skin?


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How about the ever increasing number of inactive users?


It's fortunate that "inactive users," number gives you satisfaction because that number will always increase. No matter what company you look at the number of inactive users will increase, it's a guarantee if the company continues to grow.

In eBay's case an inactive user is someone that doesn't make a transaction in the last quarter. That's not much really, but you cling to it like it's some dramatic news. Chase, Citibank, Visa, MasterCard, Sears, Kmart, Walmart, Google, Yahoo, etc., all have a growing inactive user numbers. When you decide one of those companies are your nemesis you can point to their inactive user numbers increasing and again do your blissfully ignorant happy dance. You've only got to find an audience naive enough not to know all companies have a growing inactive user numbers while they are having growth. Ain't life grand?

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Care to voice your opinion on these and other issues, really bored person?





I don't think you want to hear what I've got to say.

I'm from the old school. If I find a company unsatisfactory I don't do business with them. That's a pretty simple policy and most people employ that strategy, most companies listen to that strategy. The internet provides many many places to shop, so I've no problem finding a replacement if a company doesn't meet my standards.

You seem to employ another method that I find both a mystery and entertaining. You seem to treat the problem as some moral crusade that requires you to make countless posts about a company's evil practices trying to make others share your outrage. Look around, it isn't working. You have a small cult following that live in denial together and give one another enough nurturing to continue this silly excercise in futility. This is your lot in life and I don't think you can do anything about it. I alternate between sympathy for you and ridicule for you. Today it's sympathy.

Nothing you or your cult can call me, or say about me has any effect that is being sought. My wife doesn't hear it, my child doesn't hear it, my neighbors don't hear it. Your tiny cult gets to nod in agreement and it must be enough for you because it's all you'll get. Myself, I'm amused by it and that's probably not the effect you were looking for.

Like I said, I don't think you want to hear what I've got to say.




first you tell us that we don't want to hear what you've got to say, and then you SAY it   You should have stopped right after "I don't think." 




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Feel better now?

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lil bit I do.  But seriously Bored, Can you tell me for real that you don't see something inherently wrong with what e-bay/PP are doing?  Honestly?

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