Looks Like ebay & Paypal Caught in ANOTHER Scandal - Ummm Amanda? Care to expound on your "answer"?

budnonymous · Top Poster

Looks Like ebay & Paypal Caught in ANOTHER Scandal - Ummm Amanda? Care to expound on your "answer"?

budnonymous · Top Poster

Oh what a tangled web....
Hilariously sleazy!!!

Where Do eBay Fakes Go to Die?
http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abn/y08/m07/i02/s01

http://blog.auctionbytes.com/cgi-bin/blog/blog.pl?/pl/2008/7/1214969880.html

Anyone Up For A Little Investigating? This Could Be A Biggie!

Paypal's in trouble · banned

Just a little more info on the subject. Some is repetitive of Capp's post.

EBAY/PAYPAL COUNTERFEIT RING

PLEASE READ, IT PRACTICALLY SHOWS THAT EBAY IS INVOLVED!

OK, tell me if this is all, just a coincidence.

The 2 girls, on these 2 message board threads:

http://forum.purseblog.com/ebay-forum/paypal-wants-the-fake-chanel
-309773.html

AND

http://forum.purseblog.com/ebay-forum/illegal-mail-counterfeit-ite
ms-using-us-postal-service-314559.html

Received fake/knock off items, bought from Ebay. Both were told to send the items to the following address, where they would be ''destroyed''.

Paypal Returns
12750 Perimeter Drive Suite 154
Dallas TX 75228

One girl asked, since it was being destroyed, could they write ''FAKE'' all over it, just so that it was never resold. They were told ''NO'', that it MUST be in the same condition, as it came.

One of the girls happened to look up the address and realized that it belonged to a company named, Liquidity Services Inc.
Liquidity Services inc., is a business surplus reseller. Is ebay giving these buyers a refund, from the sellers account and then taking over ownership of the item and reselling it, for profit, when it is supposed to be destroyed? The website that this company resells from is called http://www.liquidation.com/index.html

This is an email, that one girl got from Paypal, when she filed her claim:

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A refund on this transaction will be awarded to you once the item, in its original condition, is shipped to the following address:

PayPal Returns

12750 Perimeter Dr Suite 154

Dallas, TX 75228

Attn: Buyer Protection Claims - #PP-************

Make sure to include your case number in the address above.

NOW I'M IN THAT PURSE BLOG AND THIS IS WHAT I POSTED (A question about her email):

Dragonlady, where it says

"Attn: Buyer Protection Claims - #PP-************"

How many numbers, is that PP#? (this will be brought up, farther down)

I was doing a little investigting last night. I went to liquidation.com and was just looking around. I did a blank search and chose the Dallas, TX location, since this is where Paypal is telling people to ship. I also chose ''returns'', for the item condition, to only bring up the returned items.

I noticed several sellers, that sell a LOT of stuff there, so....

On a whim, I decided to see if any of those names, matched up with ebay ID's and this is what I found.

Liquidation.com Seller (Onlinereturns), There just happens to be an ebay seller named ''Onlinereturns''. Lets check their feedback, on toolhaus.org:

http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=onlineretur
ns&Dirn=Received+by

Ok, that must just be a coincidence, this guy is selling FAKE stuff and is now naru'd (Not a registered user).

NEXT:

Liquidation.com Seller (Techexcess) Wow, there is an ebay member, with the same name, as well. Let's check their feedback:

http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=techexcess Hmmm,

Must be another coincidence, that this person is selling all kinds of used/broken junk! (Ebay returns?)

Liquidation.com Seller (ReturnsManager) Out of a feedback score of 18, 10 of them were negs/neuts and they are now naru'd, from ripping people off:

http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=returnsmanager

Are all these, just coincidental? Surely they wouldn't use the same name on ebay, would they?

I then typed in Vuitton on the resellers website and chose Dallas as well and came up with this:

http://web.liquidation.com/auction/search?submit=Search&cmd=keyword&words=vuitton&warehouse_id=1&condition_RET=1

If you click on the 4th title down, it takes you here:

http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/view?id=1536075&convertTo=USD

Click on the ''view manifest'' link, next to ''quantity in lot''.

you will get this: http://www.liquidation.com/aucimg/1536/m1536075.html

Notice to the fair right, under notes...what are these numbers? That per chance could not be the ''PayPal case #'' that they were TOLD to include, would it? No way, couldn't be. They would not be that stupid, would they?

You can also look at each pic in the auction, by scrolling down and clicking ''view all photos''. I was looking at the pics and noticed a pen that is made by Mont Blanc. Just a little strange, because I remember seeing that name, somewhere...

OOOOhhhh, it was here, the last negative by the seller ''OnlineReturns'', before he got naru'd...ok, please don't tell me that this pen, is the same pen and is just circling around and around.:

http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=onlinereturns&Dirn=Received+by

I then found an article, where it says this:

''Because of its reliability with online resellers, Liquidity Services is ranked as Paypal's #1 bulk source for inventory"'

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_pwwi/is_200306/ai_mark2200282099

You've got to be kidding me, right? Paypal promotes and sends sellers to Liquidity Services to buy in bulk/lots. The buyers of that junk/fakes, list on ebay. Those sellers are now selling fakes and junk and may not realize it. Paypal refunds the buyer, who purchased the fakes, out of the sellers account. Ebay keeps the sellers listing fees and the final value fees, which is a good amount on the high priced fake designer items. They then have the buyers ship the junk/fakes, BACK to Liquidity Services and then they RESELL it, again in lots, to the next sucker. He then in turn lists it on ebay, who takes the fees AGAIN and the circle just continues.

This is their actual meaning of ''returns' on the liquisation.com website: "Returns were sold to a customer, who then either physically brought the item back to a store or mailed it to a specified location. Reasons for returning a product may not have any correlation to its usefulness."

Heck, this sellers actual name is ''returnresale'' and ALL his items are from DALLAS, TX.

http://www.liquidation.com/auction/search?cmd=seller&username=ReturnResale

Funny how they have a bunch of stuff and then throw in a pair of LV boots, guarantee they are fake!
http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/view?id=1350776&convertTo=USDR>

Another one, where they just throw in a LV product, with other junk:
http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/view?id=1536099&convertTo=USDR>

This one in barely advertised, just thrown in like the seller has no clue, what it is, making the buyer think they have a steal:
http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/view?id=1350784&convertTo=USDR>

This seller was found, after I typed all of the above. I did a search for Vuitton and left the location open. A different seller I noticed came up (Designersforless). Once again, just on a whim, I tried ebay, to see if that name had a match. Funny, there is a member named desingersforless on ebay. They last sold something on May 22, 2008, but before that, no sales back til November. Probably because their feedback was starting to look bad, from all the negs. So, 3 days AFTER the new policies came into affect, they must have noticed that their feedback jumped back up, from the new 12 month rule, where all your past history is wiped clean by ebay. Oh, great she says, let me start scamming again. This is the feedback, from what they listed:

Item purchased was not an authentic RL Polo,bad quality.Seller refuses to refund.
Reply by designersforless (May-23-08 13:21):
Buyer unable to provide proof that shirt is not authenitic.

This seller, has stuff up for sale now...are they all fake? This is a seller to watch and keep and eye on the feedback, to see if there are any more reported ''fakes''. If they sell fake stuff somewhere, they are more than likely going to do it again, somewhere else (Liquidation.com). This is what they have sold on liquidation.com and all are ''AS IS'', which means you are STUCK with it: http://www.liquidation.com/auction/search?cmd=seller&username=designersforless

Are all these FAKE returns, from ebay? Has anyone been asked to ship items, to a California address, where this person sells from? Found out later that YES, people have sent to CA, another location of Liquitity Services Inc.

You can see by the following links, that loads of people are getting ripped of by this company (LSI), because all their lots are, AS IS. I guess they decided that ebay, wasn't working too good and people were noticing the fakes and getting refunds, so they start listing on liquidations.com and then no one can get refunds, because they are ''AS IS'':

http://www.ripoffreport.com/searchresults.asp?q1=ALL&q4= &q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0&submit2=Search%21&q5=liquidity+services

http://www.ripoffreport.com/searchresults.asp?q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0&submit2=Search%21&q5=liquidation.com

http://reviews.ebay.com/SELLERS-BEWARE-WholeSaleElectronics-Liquidation-com_W0QQugidZ10000000001193180

http://www.salehoo.com/forum/wholesale-scams/liquidation-com-story-t2912.html

We have now found sellers, who sold authentic items only to be told by the buyer, that it was fake. This one sellers states that the buyer, was an ebay employee????

We really need to get someone to send something back and have it marked, to see if it comes back on ebay or if it's listed on liquidation.com, for resale after it was supposed to be destroyed.

ALL THIS IS JUST TOOOOO COINCIDENTAL!

Paypal's in trouble · banned

Just got an email back from the editor of

http://www.australia.to/

He is VERY interested in the info I posted above.
I will keep an eye out for an article. We can only hope.

budnonymous · Top Poster

Hi there. Welcome to CAPP. Thanks for posting

I was just getting ready to post about the very sanmwe thing, sa the article at the gather site:

eBay Pay Pal CAUGHT in SCAM Selling Knock Off Products!

by Tori T.

If anyone from ebay paypal is reading along, better make reservations for HELL

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-- Edited by budnonymous at 14:39, 2008-07-10

xppman · Top Poster

So now they are fencing stolen property... Interesting...
Wonder is the resident trolls over there are involved in it.

My bet is... They are.

This is criminal racketeering, RICO and all.

I see jail time in someone's futures for sure.

VoicesLie · Noob

So now they are fencing stolen property... Interesting...
Wonder is the resident trolls over there are involved in it.

My bet is... They are.
I agree. After all, several known eBay trolls are located in Texas. Counterfeit designer goods for resale = payment for services rendered. confused

budnonymous · Top Poster

xppman wrote:

So now they are fencing stolen property... Interesting...
Wonder is the resident trolls over there are involved in it.

My bet is... They are.

This is criminal racketeering, RICO and all.

I see jail time in someone's futures for sure.

You never know. One thing for sure though....
In for a penny, in for a pound.

The funniest thing about it all. Ebay "tough on fraud"... "tough on counterfeits" ...blah blah blah...

I see somone over there reporting they filed claim(s). PP wants a police report for SNAD, but NOT for one(s) alleged to be outright fakes?
Interesting.

I guess PP does not want things like that counterfeit problem cluttering up police reports, eh?
Significantly Not as Described is a bigtime crime, counterfeits can just be handled quietly through their own little 'destruction' service.

Something was also mentioned about the legality of sending fakes through the mail, and legality based upon the intent. That would seem to apply to both sender and receiver, whichever one had the mal-intent would be breaking the law IMO.
So 'send this for in to us for destruction', only to be resold, would certainly seem to be mal-intent IMO.

oops, edit:
looking back over there, I see the thread is shrinking.
Why not just go ahead and delete the entire thing?
No one is paying attention I'm sure.

weirdface

-- Edited by budnonymous at 21:40, 2008-07-08

xppman · Top Poster

Well it sure looks like PP is in the fencing biz. using stolen property from sellers caught up in SNADS.
This liquid company does NOT destroying this stuff.
(As evidence of the fakes all over their site for re-sale)...

I'm told it's already being looked in to.

Hope some of our old buddies are some of those 'sellers' at Liquid selling this stuff.

That would be priceless to see these frauds thrown in jail. ROFLMAO

budnonymous · Top Poster

I don't know Xppman, last I heard, they had sheleved the entire war on terror to concentrate on consumer awareness oriented chat forums.

Remember that?

bwhahahahahahaa.

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budnonymous · Top Poster

Blockbuster video addressing this ugly situation out now on youtube
From: Paypalsgoindown

Added: July 16, 2008

This video documents some shady dealings by ebay/paypal. If this is true, they are in deep trouble
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I hope everyone reading this goes over there to rate, comment, subscribe, and favorite this video and the others from Paypalsgoindown

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xppman · Top Poster

All of this is being documented by hundreds of people.
Some have stated (over at AuctionBytes) that the Feds and the
luxury items companies have been alerted to this racket.

They can't keep it a secret much longer and even if some top officials have been paid off.
They will all have some explaining to do.

I bet Sandy and Helen will look real hot in stripes.
We already know how hot Texas looks in stripes. Criminals. lol

budnonymous · Top Poster

Just as I have intimated to a few amigoes, someone(s) will only start to play more & more dirty. It appears that day has arrived.
I won't go into any great detail.
I suppose what someone does not realize is that this is pure folly for some of us, and someone also forgets that a he who lives in a glass house should not throw stones.
Threats and intimidations shall never work.
But it shall redouble efforts and determinations, as I have mentioned before.
I urge and advise everyone reading along to continue the fight. Continue to be vocal. Kick it up a notch or 2.
'Nuff said.

We have a plan and it is working.

De inimico non loquaris sed cogites

xppman · Top Poster

So far so good.
It's just a matter of time now dude.

I say

on them.

The sheep will be lead to slaughter by their masters in the Ivory towers.
Know what I mean? he he

budnonymous · Top Poster

The good shepard is taking the good flock to the Good Butcher.