Bargainland Bids Adieu to eBay

budnonymous · Top Poster

Bargainland Bids Adieu to eBay

budnonymous · Top Poster

Be sure to read that comment area, especially the one by poster 'ming the merciless'

Cyber Diva · Senior Member

Wow! Both of these posts, rock!

Bargainland Bids Adieu to eBayby: getreal
Sat Dec 1 2007 19:21:16
I love reading posts like Henry's here, who has neither a clue what he is talking about or any idea whatsoever what it actually takes to sell over 1 million products in that category. Not to mention have the ability to comprehend the idea that eBay itself is the problem. For starters, eBay's feedback system is a joke. It was designed by a guy who himself had no experience selling products for a living. Any moron can leave a negative feedback for whatever reason he or she wants, including whether or not it is raining outside. Anyone who actually takes the time to anylize Bargainland's feedback will notice that an overwhelming majority of negative feedback were left either by new buyers who have either single or low double-digit feedback themselves, or buyers with no common sense. Anyone with 1/2 a brain should be able to understand the concept that sellers who sell "AS IS" products that are advertised as "May or may not function", and starts their minimum bid at .99 cents, is going to attract the dumbest idiots in the world. "As is" sellers attract the worst kind of bottom feeders there are, so why is it a surprise that they don't have stellar feedback? What is amazing is that eBay actually lets these idiots leave feedback in the first place.

Another thing that most people fail to notice is that the very idiots who leave negative feedback for stupid reasons, go on to purchase more items from the same seller. The problem is the feedback system itself, duh! 90% feedback for an "as is" seller is like anyone else having 97%, it's not bad at all. 90% of the buyers who leave negative fb are the ones who need to be removed.
Bargainland Bids Adieu to eBay
by: Ming the Merciless
Sun Dec 2 2007 02:22:08
Once again what ebay is attempting to do is to transfer as much liability and as many business costs that will enhance THEIR bottom line onto sellers.

What ebay wants are sellers who drink the ebay Koolaid and buy into the language ebay uses to frame their policies. Ebay recently sent Powersellers a brochure that suggested every seller should offer free or deeply discounted shipping and include free gifts with every order.

Does ebay offer to help underwrite these buyer experience enhancing ideas? Of course not, silly! Ebay expects you the seller to further decrease your profitability by bearing these burdens so thaty ebay can increase their profitability.

When competitors engage in the kind of practices that St. James alleges, they are in violation of laws in many states that prohibit interfering with a business transaction. And ebay is a co conspirator by permitting it on their site because they have the capacity to find out the IP numbers of those who illegally SABOTAGING another seller. But what you can expect from a company who in practice approves of threats of physical violence because a seller won't give a discount and refuses to suspend the member making the threat even when done through ebay's own mailing system.

Moreover, ebay's proposed new feedback concept in which they're threatening to automatically leave positive feedback for buyers who pay immediately with PayPal is a blatant and egregious example of interfering with a business transaction. Ebay has no legal right to leave ANY kind of feedback on behalf of a seller. NONE. And if they think building such a policy in to the user agreement shields them, they are 100% wrong.

And so much for believing ANYTHING ebay says about any topic. This secret detailed seller feedback is another example (just like the hidden user ID bidding that goes on that increases sales prices and ebay's cut but is an open invitation to shill bidding) of ebay's ongoing campaign of lies and deceptions to sellers. So much for ebay ''transparency.'' So much for ebay being ''just a venue.'' So much ebay's annual lies about not making major platform changes in the third quarter.

What sellers have become -- one new policy at a time -- are unpaid ebay employees so be sure to call your local IRS office and complain. You can do so anonymously.

Ebay management has succeeded in this decade only because the economy, though much weaker than it once was in 1990s, has allowed them to regularly unveil unnecessary and unconscionably high fee hikes to increase the value of their stock which is an important component of Meg and Bill's compensation packages. They think only in terms of quarterly increments. They don't have nor have they ever had a VIABLE long term business strategy except to soak sellers for as much as they can get BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY (legal or otherwise) for as long as they can. Their idea of thinking something through is like the ''ideating'' commercial currently running on TV. They are institutionally incapable of seeing beyond their outstretched hands.

When their tenuous house of cards falls as seller as after says sayonara to the dead corporation walking, Meg, Bill, and their lame brain minions will be out of there so fast your head will spin.

Yes, people can and should leave ebay. But, in addition to making URS complaints which we all can do NOW anonymously, exiting sellers should file massive consumer/civil/criminal complaints with their state Attorney General and the California Attorney General as they leave. And if you have complaint(s) about PayPal, the above three plus the Nebraska Attorney General.

What we all have to understand that ebay has no core business ethics whatsoever, and the only ''community'' value they subscribe to is the value of taking more and more money from sellers without providing any seller experience enhancements and providing as little of their laughable customer service as they can possibly get by with.

Ebay is an unregulated monopoly that violates the Sherman Anti Trust Act in so ways they're too numerous to mention here. And nothing would make this seller happier than to see Meg, Bill, and the other varicious, overpaid, arrogant, and underexperienced yuppy dot commer members of their management team join Enron executives in federal prison for engaging in monopolistic, anti competitive schemes designed to ruin or shut out their competition, make ssellers unpaid employees, design search pages that take buyers away our listings, by having conveniently technical problems that increase the likelihood you won't your item which is exactly what ebay want$, their defective scheduling platform in my ebay double list single items and relist already sold items without a seller's knowledge, stripping one or more photos from listings -- the list is endless AND THEY GET AWAY WITH IT!

And if a seller complains too long and too loudly about getting the fee refunds they're entitled to when ebay screws up a listing or several hundred in my case, then your communications suddenly become ''unprofessional'' and you lose your dedicated powerseller phone and email support.

There is NOTHING ebay won't do to mess over sellers large or small. NOTHING.

Sellers can fight back by leaving AND sellers can fight back by documenting and filing complaints with their state's Attorney General's Office or getting an attorney to take a class action suit on contingency.

As the film character Howard Beale once said, ''I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!''

Quit being a seller wuss and GET MAD, sellers! Ebay is r*ping us.

budnonymous · Top Poster

You think that post by 'getreal' rocks?

Sounds like a compensated endorsement from ebay if you ask me.
Try to justify that scam-ass outfit.

That ^%$# Bargainland robbed me.
I paid instantly with PayPal, NEVER got my stuff.
They lied & gave ebay & paypal fake tracking numberrs from fedex when I tried to get my money back.
They filed UPI on me, followed by leaving me negative feedback.

Ebay NEVER EVEN READ my %$#@ emails. They did not care that I had the PP transaction # or anythging, like I say, they never bothered to read it!
(mistake by sleazebay)

So let's recap, I lost my hard-earned $$$. I got unpaid item strike, and FB got ruined.

F*CK THEM!!! furious

Lots of folks think B-Land's owner(s) should be in prison.
Google shows a massive amount of complaints against them.

-- Edited by budnonymous at 16:42, 2007-12-02

budnonymous · Top Poster

Now here is a post to check out. Notice that part about "they know where I live" (bolding mine)

So bargainland likes to threaten & intimidate people??

They must have picked that up from ebay.

Bargainland Bids Adieu to eBay

by: GlobalJ

Sun Dec 2 2007 11:59:11

Good Bye to Bargainland or better phrased HOWTOGETSCAMMEDONEBAYLAND;

I too was defrauded by them.Purchased 2 items,read the ''AS IS'' terms and even paid the highly inflated shipping because I had a use for the items.Never received in 2 weeks,never received in a month and never received at all,numerous emails and when some one did respond I was threatened by them that I was a scammer (100% positive feeback as a buyer in over 1,000 transactions),I was told they know where I live and I would be better not to mess with them.Course,I received the email after I left them negative feedback after 95 days and they wanted to know how I did that.Freakin idiots.

What did in Bargainland was one thing and one thing only,it's called the transaction is not done when they receive payment,it's called no customer service.Eventually this company will scam the wrong person and they'll be behind bars where they should be.That's what Ebay themselves should do is pursue legal action against scammers like bargainland.

It's better for all Ebay sellers and buyers when a company like Bargainland is gone.And to getreal up above.You sound very much like the email I did receive from them.Absolutely blame all their negatives on inexperienced buyers when it has to do with Bargainlands poor handling of followthru after a sale.

GOOD RIDDANCE TO BARGAINSCAM

-- Edited by budnonymous at 20:28, 2007-12-02

budnonymous · Top Poster

Ming the Merciless strike again!

Bargainland Bids Adieu to eBay

by: Ming the Merciless

Tue Dec 4 2007 04:05:29

When individuals engage in the kinds of behaviors that ebay does, they are often diagnosed as suffering from one or more forms of mental illness.

For example, ebay's frenetic (and frantic) but usually short term, hyperactive, and inconsistent shotgun focus on issues such as VERO, knockoffs, postage, the content of ads, etc. suggests their management suffers from chronic attention deficit disorder and impulse disorder. In other words, they're institutionally incapable of rational analysis and creating reasonable solutions to ongoing problems. They simply make wquic, superficial, arbitrary, simplistic, and utterly thoughtless judgments and move on to their next 30 day assault campaign against sellers.

When an individual chronically engages in anti social if not criminal behaviors that harm others without feeling any remorse whatsoever, these people are called sociopaths. When they're convicted of crimes, they go to jail or prison. When a corporation engages in unethical, immoral, or criminal behavior that damages others, however, Wall Street calls them darlings -- just like they did with Enron until the extent of Enron's criminality could no longer be concealed.

Ebay also seems incapable of learning from their mistakes and taking what they've learned from them (if they spent any time at all trying to learn anything useful which is questionable) and then avoiding these mistakes in their present and future strategic planning such as their pathetic, myopic strategic planning is.

How many sellers left ebay over Bill Cobb's genius store listing turnaround last year that was patently unfair to those paying for auction style and Buy It Now listings?

How many European buyers left American sellers when ebay's incompetent techs developed a platform that ''accidentally'' changed sellers' listings from Ships Worldwide to essentially Ship to US only?

How many English buyers quit buying from American sellers in retaliation when ebay removed British listings from the ebay US site?

How many sales are ebay sellers losing when ebay sells links on search pages to YOUR competitors selling on the Yahoo platform? Or, for that, matter, to the refinancing opportunities or weight loss or whatever? And how many of you remember the infamous Hallmark Cards pop-ups in seller listings at Christmas time several years ago?

So what we have here is a corporation whose dominant strategy is to take as much as they possibly can from sellers, create crises through its own ineptitude and greed, and then 'manage' these crises in the most irrational and heavy handed way they can think of.

Ironically, ebay fails to recognize the genuine crises it does face and has adopted an ostrich like and inflexible attitude that's already ignited the fuse towards its own self-destruction.

One of the pop definitions of mental illness is to the same thing over and over again expecting a different result which, I think, applies not only to ebay but to many sellers as well who erroneously believe that tweaking their ebay selling strategies will overcome the exorbitantly high fees that that the unregulated monopoly called ebay charges.

Ebay, you're going up in smoke from your own gross incompetence and mismanagement, and unfortunately you're going to take a lot of good people with you.

Buyer are NOT ebay's customers; they're OUR customers, and both sellers and buyers will migrate to where they're treated fairly, equitably, and HONESTLY -- concepts that ebay left in the dust when Meg Whitman took over.

And I suspect the ebay apologists and plants among us will be the only ones left when ebay as we've known it implodes from its own stupidity and greed.

-- Edited by budnonymous at 15:46, 2007-12-04